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Abortion question for biomedical ethics class?

Visnas Dilemma: For months doctors told eleven-year-old Visna and her parents that her abdominal pains were nothing but indigestion. Then in July 1998 the truth finally emerged: Visna was twenty-seven weeks pregnant. Visna, her parents and her sixteen year-old brother had emigrated from India to the Detroit suburb of Sterling Heights, Michigan, only the previous summer. After discovering she was pregnant Visna revealed that her brother had raped her. As soon as Visnas parents discovered her condition, they made plans to take her to Kansas for abortion. Visna would have to have a late-term abortion, and because Michigan law bans almost all abortions after twenty-four weeks, her family would have to take her out of state. However, their plans were frustrated when a family court judged pressed charges of parental negligence against her parents, and the court removed Visna from her family, becoming a ward of the state. At a court hearing, Visnas doctor argued that if her pregnancy were allowed to continue, it could cause her both physical and psychological damage. A psychologist testified that, because Visna was a Hindu, if she were forced to have an illegitimate child, it would make her unfit for marriage by another Hindu. Her parents expressed worries that if Visna had the child it might suffer from genetic abnormalities and mental retardation, because her brother would be the father. Abortion opponents made public arguments, begging her not to have an abortion. Money was offered to let the pregnancy proceed and they promised to find someone to adopt the baby. They considered it irrelevant that the child was conceived as a result of rape or incest. (This case is adopted from Ronald Munson, Outcome Uncertain: Cases and Contexts in Bioethics; Thompson & Wadsworth 2003.)

I have always been pro-life, but I don't know how to react to this...do you pro-lifers think that it would be ok in this case or not?
I'm only asking the pro-lifers...any idiot could tell you what a pro-choice would say to this.
I just keep thinking about the poor baby...the mother got dealt a bad hand but should the baby die for this? A baby born at 27 weeks would have every right to live, rape and incest or not...what about this one?
I posted this in the Pregnancy section because I know that there are many people who disagree with abortion, as I do. I personally would never have one no matter what the circumstance, and I feel very angry at the people who do, because I was pregnant with a baby recently, I very much wanted it and took very good care of myself during the pregnany, but I lost it, and I know many of you have been through similar situations.

I personally feel that any questions about abortion should not be posted here in the pregnancy section. It's not something that those of us who have chosen to keep our babies really want to think about.

I'm pro-life regardless of the circumstance. However, I have never been personally faced with a issue such as this so I do not know how I would react. When you find yourself in a similar situation then you have the right to agree or disagree with the outcome.  (+ info)

Could Aids be Used as a weapon?

i would like to start off this question by saying their are two types of people in this world.
The person who accept the wrong answer and
The person that knows the real answer.

because i didn't buy in to a monkey man lie, i found some truth
the truth about aids is all signs point to it being MAN MADE!
Scientist using sheep Visna virus and Ebola virus to construct a single HIV protein.

The Treatment For HIV and AIDS, is a Failed cancer drug, known as AZT. The drug was created in 1964 and ban in, i believe 1968 after the Drug was known to be to toxic for human consumption.
Later on the drug was to be marketed as a cure for aids, but to worsen people and never to cure a single soul.

do you know, what the leading cause of death in AIDS patients is?
Liver failure. immune deficiency and Liver failure, the answer to explain that wouldn't make since, the answer would be that AZT is a drug that will shut down the Body in about 8 years of use.

their is anther major blow against aids. considering the first cases of aids was reported in the USA(Manhattan and San Fransisco) and not Africa

now that you know some of what i know! you can answer this.

If HIV was made in a lab could it be used as a biological weapon on the undesirables of earth if the earths populations was to great.

P.S. Never Accept the FIRST ANSWER IN LIFE! because the first answer is usually wrong.

To support your argument, I'd just like to say that the Bayer corporation in, 1978 I think but not sure, disseminated the AIDS virus to the American population contained in vaccines. Additionally, 6,000 gallons of the virus was in the mass-produced 'medicine.' After people became sick with AIDS, the company was told to knock it off... so they took it to Europe and infected the populous overseas. After they were discovered there, the people responsible were imprisoned. Not ONE SINGLE PERSON was even INVESTIGATED stateside for the intentional distribution of the AIDS virus. This is obvious in the company reports that were released decades later in accordance with the Freedom of Information Act. The AIDS virus was intentionally put into the vaccinations, they murdered lots of people and got paid for it by the people they killed, never to be punished for it and taking their bloody money to the bank. There is also evidence to support the notion that the AIDS virus was intentionally distributed amongst natives in Africa as well as the homosexual population in San Fransisco. And, really, how naive are people to believe that someone had sex with a monkey in Africa, anyway? Are you serious? And then OTHER people had SEX with the MONKEY-lover? Pull your head out if you believe that kind of crap, it's nonsense.  (+ info)

Could this all really be true? Follow the rabbit to see how deep the hole goes?

The History of the Development of AIDS
Chapter Excerpt from “State Origin: The Evidence of the Laboratory Birth of AIDS”
by Boyd E. Graves, J.D.

The true history of the origin of AIDS can be traced throughout the 20th Century and back to 1878. On April 29 of that year the United States passed a “FEDERAL QUARANTINE ACT”.

The United States began a significant effort to investigate “causes” of epidemic diseases. In 1887, the effort was enhanced with the mandate of the U.S. “LABORATORY OF HYGIENE”. This lab was run by Dr. Joseph J. Kinyoun, a deep rooted-racist, who served the eugenics movement with dedication.

Two years later, 1889, we were able to identify “mycoplasmas”, a transmissible agent, that is now found at the heart of human diseases, including (AIDS) HIV.

In 1893, we strengthened the Federal Quarantine Act and suddenly there was an explosion of polio.

In 1898, we knew we could use mycoplasma to cause epidemics, because we were able to do so in cattle, and we saw it in tobacco plants.

In 1899, the U.S. Congress began investigating “leprosy in the United States”.

In 1902, We organized a “Station for Experimental Evolution” and we were able to identify diseases of an ethnic nature.

In 1904, we used mycoplasma to cause an epidemic in horses.

In 1910, we used mycoplasma to cause an epidemic in fowl/birds.

In 1917, we formed the “Federation of the American Society for Experimental Biology” (FASEB).

In 1918, the influenza virus killed millions of unsuspecting. It was a flu virus modified with a bird mycoplasma for which human primates had no “acquired immunity”.

In 1921, lead eugenics philosopher, Betrand Russell, publicly supported the “necessity for “organized” plagues” against the Black population.

In 1931, we secretly tested African Americans and we tested AIDS in sheep.

In 1935, we learned we could crystallize the tobacco mycoplasma, and it would remain infectious.

In 1943, we officially began our bio-warfare program. Shortly thereafter, we were finding our way to New Guinea to study mycoplasma in humans.

In 1945, we witnessed the greatest influx of foreign scientists in history into the U.S. biological program. Operation Paperclip will live in infamy as one of the darkest programs of a twisted parallel government fixated on genocide.

In 1946, the United States Navy hired Dr. Earl Traub, a notorious racist biologist.
A May appropriations hearing confirms the existence of a “secret” biological weapon.

In 1948, we know that the United States confirmed the endorsement of “devising a scheme” in which to address the issue of overpopulation in certain racial groups. State Department’s George McKennan’s memo will forever illuminate the eugenics mendacity necessary for genocide of millions of innocent people.

In 1949, Dr. Bjorn Sigurdsson isolates the VISNA virus. Visna is man made and shares some “unique DNA” with HIV. See, Proceedings of the United States, NAS, Vol. 92, pp. 3283 - 7, (April 11, 1995).

In 1951, we now know our government conducted its first virus attack on African Americans. Crates in Pennsylvania were tainted to see how many Negro crate handlers in Virginia would acquire the placebo virus.. They were also experimentally infecting sheep and goats. According to author Eva Snead, they also held their first world conference on an AIDS-like virus.

In 1954, Dr. Bjorn Sigurdsson publishes his first paper on Visna virus and establishes himself as the “Grandfather of the AIDS virus.” He will encounter competition from Dr. Carlton Gajdusek.

In 1955, they were able to artificially assemble the tobacco mosaic virus. Mycoplasmas will forever be at the heart of the U.S. biological warfare program

In 1957, future U.S. president, Rep Gerald Ford and others gave the U.S. Pentagon permission to aggressively deploy offensive biological agents. There are no recorded cases of AIDS prior to the 1957 creation of “Special Operation-X.” (The SOX) program served as the immediate prototype program for the Special Virus program to begin in 1962.

By 1960, Nikita Kruschev had been let in on the biological weapon. His 1960 statement will long reflect the arrogance of the secret blend of communism and democracy. The two countries would go to a November 1972 agreement to cull the Black Population.

In 1961, scientist Haldor Thomar publishes that viruses cause cancer. In 1995, he and Carlton Gajdusek informed the National Academy of Sciences that “the study of visna in sheep would be the best test for candidate anti-HIV drugs.”

In 1962, under the cover of cancer research, the United States charts a path to commit premeditated murder, the “Special Virus” program begins on February 12th. Dr. Len Hayflick sets up a U.S. mycoplasma laboratory at Stanford University. Many believe the “Special Virus” program began in November 1961 with a Phizer contract.

Beginning in 1963 and for every year thereafter, the “Special Virus” program conducted annual

I've read all this before. Nobody knows what is true or what is made-up anymore. If HIV is a man made virus, it is having a far worse effect on the gay population than the blacks. We are living in a system of lies that is being controlled by Secret Societies.

There is no question about it, the government doesn't have any problem killing our own people. Its always done clandestinely. They have Directed Energy Weapons that can screw-up your brain, and cause major mental problems. This was done to my father. In the early 1980's he became involved in the ultra clandestine Secret Societies. He was told after he joined that if he ever talked about anything he was going to be killed, and once you joined it, you could never get out of it, or you would be killed. After he saw the crimes that they were committing, he left anyway. The government/Secret Societies hit him with these weapons. He developed major paranoia and committed suicide. This is a crime that my family has never gotten justice for.  (+ info)

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